"The cocktail of virtually completely human coupled with voice cloning is where things get really dodgy. Older people who might not be at the forefront of what's going on, they just don't even think to think about whether it's real or not, right? And I think that's at the core of how it can be abused."

"When you build automated systems, it actually makes sense to not allow barge in for most things you're going to say, because if you allow easy interruptions, it can really take the conversation off track. But a human would, that's one way in which we're still better than the best machines running out there."